Diognester. The paragraph does include the act of sexting but it also says child pornography and those that view it.
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Richard Oliver
Where in that paragraph does it differentiate between a witness child and a worldly child. In fact further in that document it states it doesn't matter if the abuser is a witness or not and if the victim or the abuser is part of the congregation. So are you adding to those statements that isn't there.
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So did anyone who kept on saying that Watchtower new policy just says that it is not a crime. Did anyone actually read the full policy, which includes the letter to the body of elders, the guidelines for service desks and the safeguarding policy for Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia. Or was it just that you read that one part and ended your search there.
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by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
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According to the laws in the US if a young couple who are both under the age of 18 send naked pictures of each other, by the law they have distributed child pornography and is subject to arrest, prosecution, fines/imprisonment and registration as a sex offender. I was pointing out that the law has grey areas that must be taken into consideration. It is not a simple matter but is much more complex.
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Yeah pointing out facts that is such a lawyer thing to do. And that is how you obfuscate things by bringing out facts. Or by bringing out what the law actually says and not what it should say when speaking about a legal matter.
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Richard Oliver
So Orphan Crow. I showed you that Watchtower does acknowledge that Child Abuse can include that of child pornography and in fact more than child pornography but sexting with a minor. Does that mean that your argument falls flat in the water and doesn't leave the gate.
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I should have posted the full point 2. the point is to give a definition of what is sexual child abuse.
2. Child abuse includes the sexual or physical abuse of a minor. It would also include the extreme neglect of a minor by her parent. Child sexual abuse is a perversion and generally includes sexual intercourse with a minor; oral or anal sex with a minor; fondling the genitals, breasts, or buttocks of a minor; voyeurism of a minor; indecent exposure to a minor; or soliciting a minor for sexual conduct. Depending on the circumstances of the case, it may include involvement with child pornography or “sexting” with a minor. “Sexting” describes the sending of sexually explicit messages or images electronically
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It would be documents
Letter from Watchtower Australia to All Bodies of Elders regarding Protecting Minors from Abuse
Child Safeguard Policy of Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia
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Also Orphan Crow you neglected to state where is that policy on child pornography coming from. It is under section 11 Child Sexual Abuse from a Scriptual Standpoint.
Also from the letter to bodies of elders Protecting Minors from Abuse Page 1 section 2. Depending on the circumstances of the case, it may include involvement with child pornography or “sexting” with a minor. “Sexting” describes the sending of sexually explicit mes-sages or images electronically.
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Richard Oliver
From
Child Safeguarding Policy of Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia:
Page 2 Point 9 Dated 7 March 2017
If congregation elders learn of a case of child abuse in which a child may still be at risk of harm, they will ensure that a report to the police or other appropriate authorities is made immediately.
From
Protecting Minors from Abuse
Page 2 Point 6Dated August 1, 2016
To ensure that elders comply with child-abuse reporting laws, two elders should immediately call the Legal Department for legal advice when the elders learn of an accusation of child abuse. (Rom. 13:1-4) A call should be made even when both persons involved are minors.
And Watchtower current policy is not limited to just those that are members of the elders congregation.
From
Protecting Minors from Abuse
Page 2 Point 6 Dated August 1, 2016
• The alleged abuse occurred many years ago.
• The alleged abuse is based on the testimony of only one witness.
• The alleged abuse is believed to be a repressed memory.
• The alleged abuse involved perpetrators or victims who are deceased.
• The alleged abuse is believed to have already been reported to the secular authorities.
• The alleged perpetrator or victim is not a member of your congregation.
• The alleged perpetrator is a non-Witness associating with the congregation.
• The alleged abuse occurred before the alleged perpetrator or victim was baptized.
• The alleged victim is now an adult.
• The alleged abuse occurred in the past, and it is unclear whether your congregation elders ever called the Legal Department for direction.